can't even boot into safe mode in win98 (first edition)

Discussion:

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Alex Hunsley

2003-10-06 22:44:38 UTC

I have a computer running windows 98 (not SE, the first edition). I
added a network card and configured the card to get an address via DHCP
so to take advantage of a broadband connection, all worked fine. Then I
moved the computer away from this network connection - so no net
connection all - and found I couldn't reboot, it gets as far as the
Windows 98 splash screen (with the animated shifting colour bar at the
bottom). I thought, well, maybe it's hanging on looking for a DHCP
server, so I tried to reboot in safe mode - exactly the same, it hangs
on the splash screen. I tried removing the network card and rebooting
again, neither normal or safe mode worked still, so I put the network
card back.

Can anyone suggest any next steps to get the thing to boot?
I can access the hard disk via a linux box so accessing the files is ok
- the hard disk appears to be fully intact and accessible - I'm just
stumped as to what to do next!

thanks,
alex

Shep©

2003-10-06 22:52:53 UTC

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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Knowing that it was a Hollywood
invention that lemmings jump off cliffs Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley
I have a computer running windows 98 (not SE, the first edition). I
added a network card and configured the card to get an address via DHCP
so to take advantage of a broadband connection, all worked fine. Then I
moved the computer away from this network connection - so no net
connection all - and found I couldn't reboot, it gets as far as the
Windows 98 splash screen (with the animated shifting colour bar at the
bottom). I thought, well, maybe it's hanging on looking for a DHCP
server, so I tried to reboot in safe mode - exactly the same, it hangs
on the splash screen. I tried removing the network card and rebooting
again, neither normal or safe mode worked still, so I put the network
card back.
Can anyone suggest any next steps to get the thing to boot?
I can access the hard disk via a linux box so accessing the files is ok
- the hard disk appears to be fully intact and accessible - I'm just
stumped as to what to do next!
thanks,
alex

If a problem is less than 5 days old in win98 then restart the system
pressing the F8 key and choose Command prompt only Dos or restart in
Msdos mode and type scanreg/restore and try an older reg(cab
file)backup,however you may have to re-install some programs and user
changes if they were installed after this date.
You can type just scanreg and say,"Yes" if you want to make a fresh
registry back up.
You can then also type
scanreg/fix and then scanreg/opt to fix and compact the registry.You
can type win or exit from Msdos mode to get back to windows.
You can use the free WRP program off here to back up the registry as
well as it saves more files.
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
HTH :O)

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Alex Hunsley

2003-10-07 00:32:01 UTC

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Post by ShepÂ©
If a problem is less than 5 days old in win98 then restart the system
pressing the F8 key and choose Command prompt only Dos or restart in
Msdos mode and type scanreg/restore and try an older reg(cab
file)backup,however you may have to re-install some programs and user
changes if they were installed after this date.
You can type just scanreg and say,"Yes" if you want to make a fresh
registry back up.
You can then also type
scanreg/fix and then scanreg/opt to fix and compact the registry.You
can type win or exit from Msdos mode to get back to windows.
You can use the free WRP program off here to back up the registry as
well as it saves more files.
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
HTH :O)

Thanks for this, I was vaguely aware of registry restoring but didn't
know how to go about it... I'll try and let you know!

thanks
alex

Alex Hunsley

2003-10-07 00:33:25 UTC

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Post by ShepÂ©
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Knowing that it was a Hollywood
invention that lemmings jump off cliffs Alex Hunsley

Btw, are these registry backups made automatically? I've not made any
manual reg backups...

alex

here_and_there

2003-10-07 04:01:10 UTC

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:33:25 +0100, Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley

Post by ShepÂ©
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Knowing that it was a Hollywood
invention that lemmings jump off cliffs Alex Hunsley

Btw, are these registry backups made automatically? I've not made any
manual reg backups...
alex

Yes the backups are made automatically - first time you boot each day.
There are last five days saved.

Shep©

2003-10-07 18:22:43 UTC

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Post by Alex Hunsley

Btw, are these registry backups made automatically? I've not made any
manual reg backups...
alex

Yes so long as the option has not been disabled :)

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here_and_there

2003-10-06 23:19:12 UTC

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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Alex Hunsley

If registry restore does not work (as suggested in Shep's note) try
booting in SafeMode. Then go to Start, Settings, Control Panel,
System, Device Manager, Network Adapters. Select the item for the
network card and remove it. Then reboot without the network card in
place. That may clear the logjam.

Alex Hunsley

2003-10-07 00:31:02 UTC

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Post by here_and_there
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Alex Hunsley

thanks for the reply. As I said, however, I can't boot in safe mode - it
hangs at the splash screen!

alex

here_and_there

2003-10-07 03:59:43 UTC

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:31:02 +0100, Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley

Post by here_and_there
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Alex Hunsley

thanks for the reply. As I said, however, I can't boot in safe mode - it
hangs at the splash screen!
alex

When I boot into safe mode, I do not get a splach screen. Hold F8
while booting then select option3 in the DOS menu.

Alex Hunsley

2003-10-07 13:10:08 UTC

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Post by here_and_there
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:31:02 +0100, Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley

Post by here_and_there
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Alex Hunsley

thanks for the reply. As I said, however, I can't boot in safe mode - it
hangs at the splash screen!
alex

When I boot into safe mode, I do not get a splach screen. Hold F8
while booting then select option3 in the DOS menu.

that's what I've been doing, and I do get a splash screen! I'm going to
try the registry restore today.

alex

here_and_there

2003-10-07 13:26:23 UTC

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:10:08 +0100, Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley

Post by here_and_there
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:31:02 +0100, Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley

Post by here_and_there
On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:44:38 +0100, Alex Hunsley

thanks for the reply. As I said, however, I can't boot in safe mode - it
hangs at the splash screen!
alex

When I boot into safe mode, I do not get a splach screen. Hold F8
while booting then select option3 in the DOS menu.

that's what I've been doing, and I do get a splash screen! I'm going to
try the registry restore today.
alex

Good luck.

cquirke (MVP Win9x)

2003-10-07 22:28:23 UTC

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:31:02 +0100, Alex Hunsley

Post by Alex Hunsley

Post by here_and_there
If registry restore does not work

thanks for the reply. As I said, however, I can't boot in safe mode - it
hangs at the splash screen!

You can use Extract to pull registry from backups. Here's how I'd do
that from Command prompt Only (i.e. DOS Mode), assuming that your
Windows is installed in C:\Windows (else change second line):

C:
CD \Windows
Attrib -r -s -h SYSTEM.DAT
Copy SYSTEM.DAT SYSTEM.DA!
Attrib -r -s -h USER.DAT
Copy USER.DAT USER.DA!

Extract SYSBCKUP\RB001.CAB SYSTEM.DAT
Extract SYSBCKUP\RB001.CAB USER.DAT
Attrib -r -s -h SYSTEM.DAT
Copy SYSTEM.DAT SYSTEM.DA1
Attrib -r -s -h USER.DAT
Copy USER.DAT USER.DA1

Rem Same as above, replacing all 1 with 2 etc. to 5 or so

Extract SYSBCKUP\RBBAD.CAB SYSTEM.DAT
Extract SYSBCKUP\RBBAD.CAB USER.DAT
Attrib -r -s -h SYSTEM.DAT
Copy SYSTEM.DAT SYSTEM.DAB
Attrib -r -s -h USER.DAT
Copy USER.DAT USER.DAB

Now you have a set of registry templates that can be copied into place
to test whichever registry you want. Never write to the templates
("template discipline"); that ensures your known states stay so!

You also protect these registry backups from being purged as the boot
process cycles through these on a FIFO basis.

Each time after Windows (attempts to) run, you need the Attrib lines
to undo the hidden, system, read-only effects.

Post by Alex Hunsley
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Tip Of The Day:
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...

Post by Alex Hunsley
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PCR

2003-10-08 05:46:37 UTC

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RBBAD.cab also contains System.ini & Win.ini, as I can see using WinZip.
This happens to be an RBBAD.cab that resulted from a Scanreg /Fix, but I
presume the other cause would do same.

C:\>cd windows\sysbckup

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>extract /d rbbad.cab
Microsoft (R) Cabinet Extraction Tool - Version (16) 1.00.603.0
(08/14/97)
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corp 1994-1997. All rights reserved.

Cabinet rbbad.cab

09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
4 Files 5,945,939 bytes

What's up with the date on my Win.ini?
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"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" <***@nospam.iafrica.com> wrote in
message news:***@4ax.com...
| On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:31:02 +0100, Alex Hunsley
|
| >> If registry restore does not work
|
| >thanks for the reply. As I said, however, I can't boot in safe mode -
it
| >hangs at the splash screen!
|
| You can use Extract to pull registry from backups. Here's how I'd do
| that from Command prompt Only (i.e. DOS Mode), assuming that your
| Windows is installed in C:\Windows (else change second line):
|
|
| C:
| CD \Windows
| Attrib -r -s -h SYSTEM.DAT
| Copy SYSTEM.DAT SYSTEM.DA!
| Attrib -r -s -h USER.DAT
| Copy USER.DAT USER.DA!
|
| Extract SYSBCKUP\RB001.CAB SYSTEM.DAT
| Extract SYSBCKUP\RB001.CAB USER.DAT
| Attrib -r -s -h SYSTEM.DAT
| Copy SYSTEM.DAT SYSTEM.DA1
| Attrib -r -s -h USER.DAT
| Copy USER.DAT USER.DA1
|
| Rem Same as above, replacing all 1 with 2 etc. to 5 or so
|
| Extract SYSBCKUP\RBBAD.CAB SYSTEM.DAT
| Extract SYSBCKUP\RBBAD.CAB USER.DAT
| Attrib -r -s -h SYSTEM.DAT
| Copy SYSTEM.DAT SYSTEM.DAB
| Attrib -r -s -h USER.DAT
| Copy USER.DAT USER.DAB
|
|
| Now you have a set of registry templates that can be copied into place
| to test whichever registry you want. Never write to the templates
| ("template discipline"); that ensures your known states stay so!
|
| You also protect these registry backups from being purged as the boot
| process cycles through these on a FIFO basis.
|
| Each time after Windows (attempts to) run, you need the Attrib lines
| to undo the hidden, system, read-only effects.
|
|
|
| >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
| Tip Of The Day:
| To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
| >-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

Shep©

2003-10-08 18:16:19 UTC

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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 01:46:37 -0400, Knowing that it was a Hollywood

Post by PCR
RBBAD.cab also contains System.ini & Win.ini, as I can see using WinZip.
This happens to be an RBBAD.cab that resulted from a Scanreg /Fix, but I
presume the other cause would do same.
C:\>cd windows\sysbckup
C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>extract /d rbbad.cab
Microsoft (R) Cabinet Extraction Tool - Version (16) 1.00.603.0
(08/14/97)
Copyright (c) Microsoft Corp 1994-1997. All rights reserved.
Cabinet rbbad.cab
09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
What's up with the date on my Win.ini?

The file has not been modified since that date :)

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2003-10-08 20:41:19 UTC

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V W Wall

2003-10-08 18:51:57 UTC

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See Shep's answer. Note that RBBAD.CAB is a failed registry back-up.
The legitimate backups (in WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP) are rbxxx.cab,
and are five in number by default. There may also be more than five,
and contain more files than the four, (default), files shown above.

See: scanreg.ini for more details, and to change the way the automatic
backups work.

Virg Wall

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PCR

2003-10-08 20:38:59 UTC

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"V W Wall" <***@DEADearthlink.net> wrote in message news:***@DEADearthlink.net...
| PCR wrote:
| >
| > RBBAD.cab also contains System.ini & Win.ini, as I can see using
WinZip.
| > This happens to be an RBBAD.cab that resulted from a Scanreg /Fix,
but I
| > presume the other cause would do same.
| >
| > C:\>cd windows\sysbckup
| >
| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>extract /d rbbad.cab
| > Microsoft (R) Cabinet Extraction Tool - Version (16) 1.00.603.0
| > (08/14/97)
| > Copyright (c) Microsoft Corp 1994-1997. All rights reserved.
| >
| > Cabinet rbbad.cab
| >
| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
| > 09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
| > 09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
| > 4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
| >
| > What's up with the date on my Win.ini?
|
| See Shep's answer.

See my answer to Shep's answer.

| Note that RBBAD.CAB is a failed registry back-up.

RBBAD.cab also is created by a "Scanreg /Fix". It is created...

(a) When Windows determines it is necessary to restore the Registry
automatically at boot.
(b) When one executes "Scanreg /Restore" on one's own.
(d) When one executes "Scanreg /Fix".

| The legitimate backups (in WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP) are rbxxx.cab,
| and are five in number by default. There may also be more than five,
| and contain more files than the four, (default), files shown above.
|
| See: scanreg.ini for more details, and to change the way the automatic
| backups work.

Absolutely... but it is difficult to use the additional Registry backups
created by manipulating Scanreg.ini, unless you are willing to undergo
the contortions cquirke spoke of in his post. Or, one could arrange that
only five .cabs (disregarding RBBAD.cab) are in C:\Windows\Sysbckup when
one issues "Scanreg /Restore", AND one of those five is the one one
wants. Also, remember, the older the Registry backup, the more trouble
it has the potential to be. This is because it registers SETTINGS, and
NOT file or hardware changes.

(1) "START, Find, F/F, RB???.cab".
Those are the Registry backups, in Sysbckup\. Are there five, plus
an RBbad? Are the dates
consistent with each of the last five days you've successfully boot?
What is the date on RBbad?

(2) "START, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt". Then,
(a) CD Windows\Sysbckup
(b) DIR RB???.cab /od
(c) Use the "Mark" button, outline with mouse, "Copy" & post for
inspection.

C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>dir rb???.cab /od
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP

RB000 CAB 1,416,088 03-30-03 3:13p rb000.cab
RB001 CAB 1,411,408 03-31-03 3:06p rb001.cab
RB002 CAB 1,414,491 04-01-03 2:48p rb002.cab
RBBAD CAB 1,399,569 04-02-03 5:06p rbbad.cab
RB003 CAB 1,400,385 04-02-03 5:06p rb003.cab
RB004 CAB 1,401,263 04-03-03 3:34p rb004.cab
6 file(s) 8,443,204 bytes

Note, on 4/2 I did a Scanreg /Fix, which created the RBbad. It can also
be created if Windows
decided on it's own to replace a Registry with one of the backups. Then,
the Registry that was
replaced ends up in RBbad.

|
| Virg Wall
| --
| Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
|
| ~ Carl Edward
Sagan ~

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Shep©

2003-10-08 20:52:55 UTC

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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:38:59 -0400, Knowing that it was a Hollywood

Post by PCR
| >
| > RBBAD.cab also contains System.ini & Win.ini, as I can see using
WinZip.
| > This happens to be an RBBAD.cab that resulted from a Scanreg /Fix,
but I
| > presume the other cause would do same.
| >
| > C:\>cd windows\sysbckup
| >
| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>extract /d rbbad.cab
| > Microsoft (R) Cabinet Extraction Tool - Version (16) 1.00.603.0
| > (08/14/97)
| > Copyright (c) Microsoft Corp 1994-1997. All rights reserved.
| >
| > Cabinet rbbad.cab
| >
| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
| > 09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
| > 09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
| > 4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
| >
| > What's up with the date on my Win.ini?
|
| See Shep's answer.
See my answer to Shep's answer.
| Note that RBBAD.CAB is a failed registry back-up.
RBBAD.cab also is created by a "Scanreg /Fix". It is created...
(a) When Windows determines it is necessary to restore the Registry
automatically at boot.
(b) When one executes "Scanreg /Restore" on one's own.
(d) When one executes "Scanreg /Fix".
| The legitimate backups (in WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP) are rbxxx.cab,
| and are five in number by default. There may also be more than five,
| and contain more files than the four, (default), files shown above.
|
| See: scanreg.ini for more details, and to change the way the automatic
| backups work.
Absolutely... but it is difficult to use the additional Registry backups
created by manipulating Scanreg.ini, unless you are willing to undergo
the contortions cquirke spoke of in his post. Or, one could arrange that
only five .cabs (disregarding RBBAD.cab) are in C:\Windows\Sysbckup when
one issues "Scanreg /Restore", AND one of those five is the one one
wants. Also, remember, the older the Registry backup, the more trouble
it has the potential to be. This is because it registers SETTINGS, and
NOT file or hardware changes.
(1) "START, Find, F/F, RB???.cab".
Those are the Registry backups, in Sysbckup\. Are there five, plus
an RBbad? Are the dates
consistent with each of the last five days you've successfully boot?
What is the date on RBbad?
(2) "START, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt". Then,
(a) CD Windows\Sysbckup
(b) DIR RB???.cab /od
(c) Use the "Mark" button, outline with mouse, "Copy" & post for
inspection.
C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>dir rb???.cab /od
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP
RB000 CAB 1,416,088 03-30-03 3:13p rb000.cab
RB001 CAB 1,411,408 03-31-03 3:06p rb001.cab
RB002 CAB 1,414,491 04-01-03 2:48p rb002.cab
RBBAD CAB 1,399,569 04-02-03 5:06p rbbad.cab
RB003 CAB 1,400,385 04-02-03 5:06p rb003.cab
RB004 CAB 1,401,263 04-03-03 3:34p rb004.cab
6 file(s) 8,443,204 bytes
Note, on 4/2 I did a Scanreg /Fix, which created the RBbad. It can also
be created if Windows
decided on it's own to replace a Registry with one of the backups. Then,
the Registry that was
replaced ends up in RBbad.
|
| Virg Wall
| --
| Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
|
| ~ Carl Edward
Sagan ~

I still use WRP off here,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
To keep my own known good backup which actually backs up a few more
files :)

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2003-10-08 21:18:33 UTC

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"Shep�" <***@jmx.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:38:59 -0400, Knowing that it was a Hollywood
| invention that lemmings jump off cliffs "PCR" <***@netzero.net>
| wrote :
|
| >"V W Wall" <***@DEADearthlink.net> wrote in message
| >news:***@DEADearthlink.net...
| >| PCR wrote:
| >| >
| >| > RBBAD.cab also contains System.ini & Win.ini, as I can see using
| >WinZip.
| >| > This happens to be an RBBAD.cab that resulted from a Scanreg
/Fix,
| >but I
| >| > presume the other cause would do same.
| >| >
| >| > C:\>cd windows\sysbckup
| >| >
| >| > C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>extract /d rbbad.cab
| >| > Microsoft (R) Cabinet Extraction Tool - Version (16) 1.00.603.0
| >| > (08/14/97)
| >| > Copyright (c) Microsoft Corp 1994-1997. All rights reserved.
| >| >
| >| > Cabinet rbbad.cab
| >| >
| >| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
| >| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
| >| > 09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
| >| > 09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
| >| > 4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
| >| >
| >| > What's up with the date on my Win.ini?
| >|
| >| See Shep's answer.
| >
| >See my answer to Shep's answer.
| >
| >| Note that RBBAD.CAB is a failed registry back-up.
| >
| >RBBAD.cab also is created by a "Scanreg /Fix". It is created...
| >
| >(a) When Windows determines it is necessary to restore the Registry
| >automatically at boot.
| >(b) When one executes "Scanreg /Restore" on one's own.
| >(d) When one executes "Scanreg /Fix".
| >
| >| The legitimate backups (in WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP) are rbxxx.cab,
| >| and are five in number by default. There may also be more than
five,
| >| and contain more files than the four, (default), files shown above.
| >|
| >| See: scanreg.ini for more details, and to change the way the
automatic
| >| backups work.
| >
| >Absolutely... but it is difficult to use the additional Registry
backups
| >created by manipulating Scanreg.ini, unless you are willing to
undergo
| >the contortions cquirke spoke of in his post. Or, one could arrange
that
| >only five .cabs (disregarding RBBAD.cab) are in C:\Windows\Sysbckup
when
| >one issues "Scanreg /Restore", AND one of those five is the one one
| >wants. Also, remember, the older the Registry backup, the more
trouble
| >it has the potential to be. This is because it registers SETTINGS,
and
| >NOT file or hardware changes.
| >
| >(1) "START, Find, F/F, RB???.cab".
| > Those are the Registry backups, in Sysbckup\. Are there five,
plus
| >an RBbad? Are the dates
| >consistent with each of the last five days you've successfully boot?
| >What is the date on RBbad?
| >
| >(2) "START, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt". Then,
| >(a) CD Windows\Sysbckup
| >(b) DIR RB???.cab /od
| >(c) Use the "Mark" button, outline with mouse, "Copy" & post for
| >inspection.
| >
| >C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP>dir rb???.cab /od
| > Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSBCKUP
| >
| >RB000 CAB 1,416,088 03-30-03 3:13p rb000.cab
| >RB001 CAB 1,411,408 03-31-03 3:06p rb001.cab
| >RB002 CAB 1,414,491 04-01-03 2:48p rb002.cab
| >RBBAD CAB 1,399,569 04-02-03 5:06p rbbad.cab
| >RB003 CAB 1,400,385 04-02-03 5:06p rb003.cab
| >RB004 CAB 1,401,263 04-03-03 3:34p rb004.cab
| > 6 file(s) 8,443,204 bytes
| >
| >Note, on 4/2 I did a Scanreg /Fix, which created the RBbad. It can
also
| >be created if Windows
| >decided on it's own to replace a Registry with one of the backups.
Then,
| >the Registry that was
| >replaced ends up in RBbad.
| >
| >|
| >| Virg Wall
| >| --
| >| Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
| >|
| >| ~ Carl
Edward
| >Sagan ~
|
| I still use WRP off here,
| http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
| To keep my own known good backup which actually backs up a few more
| files :)
|

OK. Thanks. Yes, I keep intending to fix Scanreg.ini to backup a few
more files. Which have you chosen?

|
|
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Shep©

2003-10-09 18:07:30 UTC

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Post by PCR
| I still use WRP off here,
| http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
| To keep my own known good backup which actually backs up a few more
| files :)
|
OK. Thanks. Yes, I keep intending to fix Scanreg.ini to backup a few
more files. Which have you chosen?

I didn't.WRP was sent me years ago by,"Uncle Gus" of the WABI
fame.Tight click and choose edit on it to see the file paths :)

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2003-10-09 18:59:55 UTC

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V W Wall

2003-10-08 21:37:11 UTC

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Post by ShepÂ©
I still use WRP off here,
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
To keep my own known good backup which actually backs up a few more
files :)

It adds msdos.sys, protocol.ini, autoexec.bat, and config.sys to the
four normally saved by Win98. It's not a bad idea to do your own backup
of a known good set-up, especially if you remember to re-do it when
a sucessful change has been made to the system. WRP makes that easy to do.

Virg Wall

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PCR

2003-10-08 22:49:03 UTC

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"V W Wall" <***@DEADearthlink.net> wrote in message news:***@DEADearthlink.net...
| "Shep©" wrote:
| >
|
| > I still use WRP off here,
| > http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/freeprog.html
| > To keep my own known good backup which actually backs up a few more
| > files :)
| >
| It adds msdos.sys, protocol.ini, autoexec.bat, and config.sys to the
| four normally saved by Win98. It's not a bad idea to do your own
backup
| of a known good set-up, especially if you remember to re-do it when
| a sucessful change has been made to the system. WRP makes that easy
to do.

Those four seem reasonable to add, considering size & importance. Since
they will be auto backed up every day (at 1st successful boot), & five
are normally kept, small is good. (IO.sys of 218 KB can always be found
on a Startup Diskette.)

|
| Virg Wall
| --
| Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
|
| ~ Carl Edward
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2003-10-09 03:24:52 UTC

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Post by PCR
| > Cabinet rbbad.cab
| >
| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
| > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
| > 09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
| > 09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
| > 4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
| >
RBBAD.cab also is created by a "Scanreg /Fix". It is created...
(a) When Windows determines it is necessary to restore the Registry
automatically at boot.
(b) When one executes "Scanreg /Restore" on one's own.
(d) When one executes "Scanreg /Fix".

rbbad.cab is only created when windows finds user.bad, system.bad, ,,,
on boot.

"Scanreg /fix", et al. create the files %windir%\user.bad and system.bad. When
you reboot, windows archives those files into the rbbad.cab. But they don't even
have to be a "registry" files. You could do "copy c:\foof.txt c:\windows\user.bad"
and on reboot windows will cab it. (though..I don't remember if all *.bad(s) have
to exist)

Why pick a nit? Nyet! It's a good thing to know if a scanreg/fix breaks the
registry.

copy c:\windows\system.bad *.dat
copy c:\windows\user.bad *.dat

PCR

2003-10-09 04:07:35 UTC

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(Yikes, the Yankees lost game one. I do see the Cubbies took one big,
though.)

Hmm. I just did a /Fix. Had I remembered about this from the last time
you mentioned it, I could have verified it. No matter! I'm sure you
speak the truth. So...

Whenever the Registry is /Fix-ed, /Restore-d or Automatically Fixed
(replaced from a .cab) by Windows...

System dat is first renamed to System.bad
User.dat to User.bad
System.ini to System.bad
Win.ini is to Win.bad

The work is done. Then, at boot, the *.bad get put into RBBAD.cab. OK.
Thanks. And, if one doesn't like the looks of a /Fix or /Restore, one
may seek out all the *.bad & copy them all *.appropriate. OK, Blanton,
until we meet in the Series, then, bye.

COPY C:\Windows\System.bad System dat
COPY C:\Windows\User.bad User.dat
COPY

Wait a minute!--- there can't be two System.bad, one a .dat; the other,
an .ini! What's up with that?
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| "PCR" <***@netzero.net> wrote in message news:#***@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
|
| > | > Cabinet rbbad.cab
| > | >
| > | > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
| > | > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
| > | > 09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
| > | > 09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
| > | > 4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
| > | >
|
| > RBBAD.cab also is created by a "Scanreg /Fix". It is created...
| >
| > (a) When Windows determines it is necessary to restore the Registry
| > automatically at boot.
| > (b) When one executes "Scanreg /Restore" on one's own.
| > (d) When one executes "Scanreg /Fix".
|
| rbbad.cab is only created when windows finds user.bad, system.bad, ,,,
| on boot.
|
| "Scanreg /fix", et al. create the files %windir%\user.bad and
system.bad. When
| you reboot, windows archives those files into the rbbad.cab. But they
don't even
| have to be a "registry" files. You could do "copy c:\foof.txt
c:\windows\user.bad"
| and on reboot windows will cab it. (though..I don't remember if all
*.bad(s) have
| to exist)
|
| Why pick a nit? Nyet! It's a good thing to know if a scanreg/fix
breaks the
| registry.
|
| copy c:\windows\system.bad *.dat
| copy c:\windows\user.bad *.dat
|
|
|

Bill Blanton

2003-10-09 23:48:43 UTC

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Post by PCR
(Yikes, the Yankees lost game one. I do see the Cubbies took one big,
though.)

Yeah, but they lost the first. I thought they would win the first game when
Sosa tied the game in the bottom of the ninth. I don't like the odds on the
2-3-2 schedule. Didn't it used to be 2-2-1-1-1, or mabey that's only the WS?

Post by PCR
Whenever the Registry is /Fix-ed, /Restore-d or Automatically Fixed
(replaced from a .cab) by Windows...
System dat is first renamed to System.bad
User.dat to User.bad
System.ini to System.bad
Win.ini is to Win.bad
Wait a minute!--- there can't be two System.bad, one a .dat; the other,
an .ini! What's up with that?

I said "all" *bad(s), but just the two reg files are copied to *.bad before
the operation. There's no need to copy over win.ini or system.ini, or
any other file listed in scanreg.ini to be backed, up to a *.bad. They
don't change, unless you edit them before the reboot. They will be
cabbed as they are.

And I just checked. ;) (by adding a comment to system.ini before the reboot)
The new comment did make it to the rbbad.cab\system.ini

PCR

2003-10-10 01:15:44 UTC

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"Bill Blanton" <***@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:uG%23Gg$***@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| "PCR" <***@netzero.net> wrote in message news:O#***@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > (Yikes, the Yankees lost game one. I do see the Cubbies took one
big,
| > though.)
|
| Yeah, but they lost the first. I thought they would win the first game
when
| Sosa tied the game in the bottom of the ninth. I don't like the odds
on the
| 2-3-2 schedule. Didn't it used to be 2-2-1-1-1, or mabey that's only
the WS?

I don't know how it could ever have been "...1-1-1". What could that
mean? Wow! Nick Johnson hit a two run HR to put the Yanks up 2-1 in the
2nd inning. Wasn't looking good till then, with so many Red Socks on
base first two innings. I suppose the Cubs are resting.

|
| > Whenever the Registry is /Fix-ed, /Restore-d or Automatically Fixed
| > (replaced from a .cab) by Windows...
| >
| > System dat is first renamed to System.bad
| > User.dat to User.bad
| > System.ini to System.bad
| > Win.ini is to Win.bad
| >
| > Wait a minute!--- there can't be two System.bad, one a .dat; the
other,
| > an .ini! What's up with that?
|
| I said "all" *bad(s), but just the two reg files are copied to *.bad
before
| the operation. There's no need to copy over win.ini or system.ini, or
| any other file listed in scanreg.ini to be backed, up to a *.bad. They
| don't change, unless you edit them before the reboot. They will be
| cabbed as they are.
|
| And I just checked. ;) (by adding a comment to system.ini before the
reboot)
| The new comment did make it to the rbbad.cab\system.ini

Very well. That comports with my own test done offline, before getting
here. I didn't think of putting a comment in an .ini, though.

Now, when Windows does it's automatic "fix" (which really is a
"replace") of the Registry (instead of the /Fix I've been doing), it
WILL have to deal with a System.ini & a Win.ini. The ones retrieved from
an RBxxx.cab will become system files. The ones that go into RBBAD.cab
will need a treatment similar to the *.dat files.

I suppose the condition can be forced, perhaps, by renaming, say,
System.dat just before boot. But who wants to try that?

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2003-10-10 00:45:14 UTC

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I piped these searches into a text file, in true DOS, after doing a
Scanreg /Fix. There are the two *.bad you mentioned. But none of the
rest accounts for System.ini & Win.ini. Those do end up in the
RB???.cabs, but must be handled differently.

Now, it occurs to me, the *.ini really should not be affected by a /Fix.
So, they perhaps were just copied into the .cabs from the current files.
(Why do I feel we've done this all before, Blanton?)

DIR *.bad /s /a > Mydocu~1\Dir.txt

Directory of C:\WINDOWS
USER BAD 581,664 10-09-03 7:31p
SYSTEM BAD 5,283,872 10-09-03 7:31p
2 file(s) 5,865,536 bytes

DIR System.* /s /a >> Mydocu~1\Dir.txt

Directory of C:\WINDOWS
SYSTEM CB 116 09-22-03 4:18p
SYSTEM 000 1,888 11-15-99 2:27p
SYSTEM BAK 2,245 12-10-01 2:19p
SYSTEM PSS 2,395 06-27-03 2:16a
SYSTEM INI 2,426 10-09-03 7:27p
SYSTEM SYD 2,394 12-17-01 5:01p
SYSTEM BAD 5,283,872 10-09-03 7:31p
SYSTEM DAT 5,283,872 10-09-03 7:37p
8 file(s) 10,579,208 bytes

Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
SYSTEM DRV 2,288 04-23-99 10:22p

DIR Win.* /s /a >> Mydocu~1\Dir.txt

Directory of C:\WINDOWS
WIN INI 8,345 09-16-03 10:48p
WIN COM 24,791 04-23-99 10:22p
WIN PSS 8,299 06-27-03 2:16a
WIN SYD 9,097 06-04-03 11:12p
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| (Yikes, the Yankees lost game one. I do see the Cubbies took one big,
| though.)
|
| Hmm. I just did a /Fix. Had I remembered about this from the last time
| you mentioned it, I could have verified it. No matter! I'm sure you
| speak the truth. So...
|
| Whenever the Registry is /Fix-ed, /Restore-d or Automatically Fixed
| (replaced from a .cab) by Windows...
|
| System dat is first renamed to System.bad
| User.dat to User.bad
| System.ini to System.bad
| Win.ini is to Win.bad
|
| The work is done. Then, at boot, the *.bad get put into RBBAD.cab. OK.
| Thanks. And, if one doesn't like the looks of a /Fix or /Restore, one
| may seek out all the *.bad & copy them all *.appropriate. OK, Blanton,
| until we meet in the Series, then, bye.
|
| COPY C:\Windows\System.bad System dat
| COPY C:\Windows\User.bad User.dat
| COPY
|
| Wait a minute!--- there can't be two System.bad, one a .dat; the
other,
| an .ini! What's up with that?
|
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| Naturally, you will not sue,
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| PCR
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| "Bill Blanton" <***@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message
| news:***@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| | "PCR" <***@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:#***@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| |
| | > | > Cabinet rbbad.cab
| | > | >
| | > | > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 663,584 user.dat
| | > | > 09-27-2003 8:46:26p ---- 5,271,584 system.dat
| | > | > 09-16-2003 10:48:38p A--- 8,345 win.ini
| | > | > 09-27-2003 8:57:18p A--- 2,426 system.ini
| | > | > 4 Files 5,945,939 bytes
| | > | >
| |
| | > RBBAD.cab also is created by a "Scanreg /Fix". It is created...
| | >
| | > (a) When Windows determines it is necessary to restore the
Registry
| | > automatically at boot.
| | > (b) When one executes "Scanreg /Restore" on one's own.
| | > (d) When one executes "Scanreg /Fix".
| |
| | rbbad.cab is only created when windows finds user.bad, system.bad,
,,,
| | on boot.
| |
| | "Scanreg /fix", et al. create the files %windir%\user.bad and
| system.bad. When
| | you reboot, windows archives those files into the rbbad.cab. But
they
| don't even
| | have to be a "registry" files. You could do "copy c:\foof.txt
| c:\windows\user.bad"
| | and on reboot windows will cab it. (though..I don't remember if all
| *.bad(s) have
| | to exist)
| |
| | Why pick a nit? Nyet! It's a good thing to know if a scanreg/fix
| breaks the
| | registry.
| |
| | copy c:\windows\system.bad *.dat
| | copy c:\windows\user.bad *.dat
| |
| |
| |
|
|

Bill Blanton

2003-10-10 01:15:10 UTC

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Post by PCR
I piped these searches into a text file, in true DOS, after doing a
Scanreg /Fix. There are the two *.bad you mentioned. But none of the
rest accounts for System.ini & Win.ini. Those do end up in the
RB???.cabs, but must be handled differently.
Now, it occurs to me, the *.ini really should not be affected by a /Fix.

You've solved the riddle!

Post by PCR
So, they perhaps were just copied into the .cabs from the current files.

Yep.

Post by PCR
(Why do I feel we've done this all before, Blanton?)

LOL..it does reek of deja vue, doesn't it? ..nothing else to do, I guess..
we might as well rehash something.

PCR

2003-10-10 01:48:06 UTC

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I need a TV in this room, though. Anyway, see other post... an Auto-fix
(restore), you know, DOES have the *.ini to deal with... I guess. Why is
Scanreg by default putting those *.ini, if it won't use them in an
"Auto"?
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|
| "PCR" <***@netzero.net> wrote in message news:uy$***@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| > I piped these searches into a text file, in true DOS, after doing a
| > Scanreg /Fix. There are the two *.bad you mentioned. But none of the
| > rest accounts for System.ini & Win.ini. Those do end up in the
| > RB???.cabs, but must be handled differently.
| >
| > Now, it occurs to me, the *.ini really should not be affected by a
/Fix.
|
| You've solved the riddle!
|
| > So, they perhaps were just copied into the .cabs from the current
files.
|
| Yep.
|
| > (Why do I feel we've done this all before, Blanton?)
|
| LOL..it does reek of deja vue, doesn't it? ..nothing else to do, I
guess..
| we might as well rehash something.
|
|
|